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#1204: "All the diggers must win"

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13 Jul 2014 00:10 • doune • Bug belum direka-ulang oleh pihak pengembang:

You said in another bug report that it isn't a bug because it's only the team of the digger which wins.

But if I read the rules (www.wardman.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/saboteur.pdf) I find this :
When the round ends, all players reveal their roles.
Then work out who won as follows:
▶ If there’s an uninterrupted path from the start
card to the treasure card, all miners from both
teams win.

So, for me, it's a bug, if there's no door on the path to the gold, all the diggers win the game

13 Jul 2014 04:25 • groupscheme • Bug belum direka-ulang oleh pihak pengembang:

Not sure where you're getting these rules from, but they differ heavily from the rules found on BGA's link and on BoardGameGeek. In these cases, it really is only the team of the digger that wins if neither team is obstructed by doors.

Other differences I noticed:

- The saboteurs *never* win if the gold is turned up, even if none of the dwarves in play have access to it.

- You can't discard and draw more than 3 cards at once.

- The special roles are absolutely not optional. Leaving them out would create a horribly low sab-to-digger ratio unless you also took out some of the normal diggers.

- When playing the hand-switch card on another player, you first swap, and then the other player draws. Thus you don't get to know what the new card was.

So yeah, don't use these rules to evaluate BGA's implementation.

13 Jul 2014 10:54 • doune • Bug belum direka-ulang oleh pihak pengembang:

I have read the rules linked on BGA (in french and english) and I find this :
"Depending on whether there is an uninterrupted path from the start to the treasure or not, the Gold-Diggers or the Saboteurs win the round. If the path to the treasure is blocked by a door, only the dwarves from the team of the same color win."

So I don't see in this where it is said that only the team of the digger who have found gold wins. It is only specified the rule with the door.

13 Jul 2014 11:12 • Een • Ini bukan bug:

Yes, the wardman.org rules are just strange ;)

In the official rules, look for the Blue and Green Gold-Diggers roles description for the full conditions of victory for a gold digger team.

14 Jul 2014 23:44 • catnipfields • Ini bukan bug:

Based on the rules with which I have played in reality, if there is no door, all the diggers win. I was green, there was no door, and I got no gold. (Game #9392251, round 2)
The provided link for the rules states: "Depending on whether there is an uninterrupted path from the start to the treasure or not, the
Gold-Diggers or the Saboteurs win the round. If the path to the treasure is blocked by a door,
only the dwarves from the team of the same color win."

This means that if there is a working path to the gold, diggers win. All diggers, despite of the color or who got to the gold. Only if there is a door, specific team wins.

15 Jul 2014 09:34 • Een • Ini bukan bug:

It happens that people misunderstood the rules IRL and discover the true rules online ;)

Here is the relevant extract from the rules:

The New Dwarf Cards And Their Victory Conditions

Blue and Green Gold-Diggers (4 each)

Both teams try to tunnel their way towards the treasure, but they are in competition.
A team wins if:
- a dwarf from that team creates the connection to the treasure and the way there
isn‘t blocked by a door of the other color, or;
- a dwarf from the other team creates the connection to the treasure, but the way
there for his or her own team is blocked by a door of the wrong color
Both teams win (along with all other “non-Saboteurs”) if The Boss, The Geologist or The Profiteer creates the connection to the gold and the way there isn‘t blocked by a door of the other color.

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